@antinominianist ... By: Kratax. on 09 Nov 11, 18:37:23 @antinominianist Maybe. But I am not so sure about that cozyness. The fact is, that if you give too cozy surroundings, then the human population will explode. There is even now too many of us compared to the resources of nature. And robots need? some resources too. It would be wiser for the AIs to limit human population somewhat to keep humans in check and provide more ascetic life for those who remain. Though, I don't oppose moderate ascetism, if there is some life activities too.
@Kratax Nah there ... By: antinominianist. on 09 Nov 11, 02:01:50 @Kratax Nah there will always be something to trade with even the least productive entities. e.g. Cats & other lesser mortals. They can't dig a ditch or built a cyclotron. Yet we trade with them.? We take their funny cute behavior as a means to happiness and instead feed them.
I think if real AI ever takes off wee will become pets of it, living in cozy beds made for us all day.
@Mozart2Vienna ... By: Kratax. on 08 Nov 11, 16:24:09 @Mozart2Vienna Maybe. But AIs shouldn't use mess as input, if the mess really is just a? mess. How does AI decide, is the figure a figure, or just mess? I mean, even humans do not try to interpret too messy letters.
And AI is not only about figuring out what things are from visual clues. Thinking is more complex than that.
@antinominianist It ... By: Kratax. on 08 Nov 11, 16:20:44 @antinominianist It is true that win-win is better than lose-attack. And AIs will use win-win with humans. But if AIs evolve maybe through centuries, they just might think that there is not enough win to get from humans. They might do win-win with other AIs instead. Sure we might not see that day.?
@Kratax
maybe in ... By: Mozart2Vienna. on 08 Nov 11, 11:17:58 @Kratax
maybe in some? situations people tend to mess in specific ways
;o)
@Kratax I think one ... By: antinominianist. on 08 Nov 11, 01:18:00 @Kratax I think one mark of intelligence is an understanding of win-win scenarios. If AI? gets smart enough, it will exist by trade and not by conquest.
@vbuterin192 Yes, ... By: Kratax. on 07 Nov 11, 21:13:16 @vbuterin192 Yes, though there is also some progress... And AIs will still be programs. AIs don't have to be just neural networks. They can have storages for data, and other functionalities. If an? AI doesn't remember something, it can check the main frame. There should be more stuff going on than just "ask the neural network".
@Kratax The thing ... By: vbuterin192. on 07 Nov 11, 19:47:41 @Kratax The thing with these AIs is that they are not the super-advanced halfway-to-consciousness beasts that you seem to think them to be. They're just logistic functions of sums of logistic functions. That's it. A mathematician can do a? neural network on pen and paper. We still have a long way to go before we can have any kind of introspection or self-awareness on the part of an AI program.
@antinominianist ... By: Kratax. on 07 Nov 11, 19:13:46 @antinominianist AIs have all the rights they? are capable of obtaining and defending of. Currently not much rights, but if AIs become more efficient thinkers than humans, Skynet scenario is possible. Do you think that terminators care about human rights?
@vbuterin192 Right, ... By: Kratax. on 07 Nov 11, 19:10:29 @vbuterin192 Right, sometimes mess is just a mess and you can reject it. But you can't still label it purely as rubbish, because it might not be rubbish entirely or you just don't understand it. Also, you can use the propabilities of calculations as best fit, but it is only for now. The AI should understand and have a sense also about what? the AI doesn't understand. The AI could use some texts as clues, but not straight away directly add it to the kb nor reject it. Some limits apply still.
@Kratax Now you ... By: antinominianist. on 07 Nov 11, 06:48:02 @Kratax Now you are? talking about rights of AI. They have none.
Your older post, " ... By: vbuterin192. on 06 Nov 11, 21:40:06 Your older post, "Sometimes mess is just a mess. The AI should be able to reject text and say 'write? more clearly, please'", implies that you want the AI to reject the text entirely, and that the writer is there to respond to the feedback. That's what I was offering my suggestion as a response to.
Now, however, it seems like you want both a measure of quality and a probable meaning, and if? you want to do that you can just return the probability that the algorithm provides for the best fit.
@vbuterin192 You ... By: Kratax. on 06 Nov 11, 20:59:21 @vbuterin192 You can't just label something as rubbish. You can label it as not recognized and propably nonsense, but the text would still have been written - maybe for some purpose even. The AI should still be able to analyze the text for some meanings in case the AI doesn't get any clarification from the author. But the analysis would be done only if the text is known to have some? relevance. You don't analyze random texts just for fun.
@Kratax You can ... By: vbuterin192. on 06 Nov 11, 18:42:50 @Kratax You can always just make "incomprehensible rubbish" one? of the options for the learning algorithm.
I loved to listen ... By: freemeson. on 07 Oct 11, 22:38:50 I loved to listen to the talk. I'm from high energy physics, where proper probabilistic methods are more than inevitable. Still, most of my colleges are stucked with the simplest MLP models and? keep ignoring the past twenty years' results in pattern recognition.
I know the talk is from 2007, and probably the work on the high dimensional unsupervised image classification has a lot of progress, but let me leave some of my comments here.
Generative learning ... By: freemeson. on 07 Oct 11, 22:37:04 Generative learning may help validating the network, and the dimensional reduction and mapping technics you use is fantastic, but something is still missing from it. Because of the high number of dimensions, the network start learning the hypersurfaces with huge uncertainties, so it still has the curse of dimensionality. You need reinforcements, to test the assumptions, in which parameters you? should do sample generations. I liked the talk, btw.
I can't? wait till ... By: PowerUpPlease. on 20 Sep 11, 23:56:52 I can't? wait till I can understand this.
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By: Kratax. on 09 Nov 11, 18:37:23
@antinominianist Maybe. But I am not so sure about that cozyness. The fact is, that if you give too cozy surroundings, then the human population will explode. There is even now too many of us compared to the resources of nature. And robots need? some resources too. It would be wiser for the AIs to limit human population somewhat to keep humans in check and provide more ascetic life for those who remain. Though, I don't oppose moderate ascetism, if there is some life activities too.
By: antinominianist. on 09 Nov 11, 02:01:50
@Kratax Nah there will always be something to trade with even the least productive entities. e.g. Cats & other lesser mortals. They can't dig a ditch or built a cyclotron. Yet we trade with them.? We take their funny cute behavior as a means to happiness and instead feed them. I think if real AI ever takes off wee will become pets of it, living in cozy beds made for us all day.
By: Kratax. on 08 Nov 11, 16:24:09
@Mozart2Vienna Maybe. But AIs shouldn't use mess as input, if the mess really is just a? mess. How does AI decide, is the figure a figure, or just mess? I mean, even humans do not try to interpret too messy letters. And AI is not only about figuring out what things are from visual clues. Thinking is more complex than that.
By: Kratax. on 08 Nov 11, 16:20:44
@antinominianist It is true that win-win is better than lose-attack. And AIs will use win-win with humans. But if AIs evolve maybe through centuries, they just might think that there is not enough win to get from humans. They might do win-win with other AIs instead. Sure we might not see that day.?
By: Mozart2Vienna. on 08 Nov 11, 11:17:58
@Kratax maybe in some? situations people tend to mess in specific ways ;o)
By: antinominianist. on 08 Nov 11, 01:18:00
@Kratax I think one mark of intelligence is an understanding of win-win scenarios. If AI? gets smart enough, it will exist by trade and not by conquest.
By: Kratax. on 07 Nov 11, 21:13:16
@vbuterin192 Yes, though there is also some progress... And AIs will still be programs. AIs don't have to be just neural networks. They can have storages for data, and other functionalities. If an? AI doesn't remember something, it can check the main frame. There should be more stuff going on than just "ask the neural network".
By: vbuterin192. on 07 Nov 11, 19:47:41
@Kratax The thing with these AIs is that they are not the super-advanced halfway-to-consciousness beasts that you seem to think them to be. They're just logistic functions of sums of logistic functions. That's it. A mathematician can do a? neural network on pen and paper. We still have a long way to go before we can have any kind of introspection or self-awareness on the part of an AI program.
By: Kratax. on 07 Nov 11, 19:13:46
@antinominianist AIs have all the rights they? are capable of obtaining and defending of. Currently not much rights, but if AIs become more efficient thinkers than humans, Skynet scenario is possible. Do you think that terminators care about human rights?
By: Kratax. on 07 Nov 11, 19:10:29
@vbuterin192 Right, sometimes mess is just a mess and you can reject it. But you can't still label it purely as rubbish, because it might not be rubbish entirely or you just don't understand it. Also, you can use the propabilities of calculations as best fit, but it is only for now. The AI should understand and have a sense also about what? the AI doesn't understand. The AI could use some texts as clues, but not straight away directly add it to the kb nor reject it. Some limits apply still.
By: antinominianist. on 07 Nov 11, 06:48:02
@Kratax Now you are? talking about rights of AI. They have none.
By: vbuterin192. on 06 Nov 11, 21:40:06
Your older post, "Sometimes mess is just a mess. The AI should be able to reject text and say 'write? more clearly, please'", implies that you want the AI to reject the text entirely, and that the writer is there to respond to the feedback. That's what I was offering my suggestion as a response to. Now, however, it seems like you want both a measure of quality and a probable meaning, and if? you want to do that you can just return the probability that the algorithm provides for the best fit.
By: Kratax. on 06 Nov 11, 20:59:21
@vbuterin192 You can't just label something as rubbish. You can label it as not recognized and propably nonsense, but the text would still have been written - maybe for some purpose even. The AI should still be able to analyze the text for some meanings in case the AI doesn't get any clarification from the author. But the analysis would be done only if the text is known to have some? relevance. You don't analyze random texts just for fun.
By: vbuterin192. on 06 Nov 11, 18:42:50
@Kratax You can always just make "incomprehensible rubbish" one? of the options for the learning algorithm.
By: freemeson. on 07 Oct 11, 22:38:50
I loved to listen to the talk. I'm from high energy physics, where proper probabilistic methods are more than inevitable. Still, most of my colleges are stucked with the simplest MLP models and? keep ignoring the past twenty years' results in pattern recognition. I know the talk is from 2007, and probably the work on the high dimensional unsupervised image classification has a lot of progress, but let me leave some of my comments here.
By: freemeson. on 07 Oct 11, 22:37:04
Generative learning may help validating the network, and the dimensional reduction and mapping technics you use is fantastic, but something is still missing from it. Because of the high number of dimensions, the network start learning the hypersurfaces with huge uncertainties, so it still has the curse of dimensionality. You need reinforcements, to test the assumptions, in which parameters you? should do sample generations. I liked the talk, btw.
By: PowerUpPlease. on 20 Sep 11, 23:56:52
I can't? wait till I can understand this.
By: vksonakia. on 02 Sep 11, 05:40:26
GOD particle exist within Human body which is CERN Laboratory of Nature.for details see YOU? TUBE VK SONAKIA? ans read article on all voices.com -certainty-tool-is-higgin-boson-or-god-particle-which-exist-in-human-body.We have already developed next generation easy to learn unified science.world scientist atr welcome to see and test FIT-Future Imaging Tool technology.FIT technology forecast tsynami,IRENE Hurricane vk sonakia unified field? scientist bhopal INDIA vksonakia@yahoo.co.in
By: jayakrishnaalapati. on 25 Aug 11, 14:23:57
Has anyone got Slides for Above Lecture ??
By: randomsubspace. on 19 Aug 11, 21:59:55
Move over? SVM. Wow.
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By: ElectricTigerFart. on 14 Jul 11, 21:13:19
At some basic level I feel this nice partial representation of we think laterally.?